Comments on: Apple Releases Support for XP (updated) http://www.maccast.com/2006/04/06/apple-releases-support-for-xp/ For MacGeeks by MacGeeks Wed, 10 Mar 2010 10:56:39 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9 hourly 1 By: showland http://www.maccast.com/2006/04/06/apple-releases-support-for-xp/comment-page-1/#comment-4044 showland Sat, 15 Apr 2006 02:07:48 +0000 http://www.maccast.com/2006/04/05/apple-releases-support-for-xp/#comment-4044 If we look back at the history of the railroads, they all started out with different proprietary track widths so that their competitors could not run on their railroads. Eventually this proved a bad idea and a common track width was decided on. Inevitably the same commonality is likely to come to computers. Mac is the only software OS positioning itself to be that common interface. If an intel Mac can run software written for Mac, PC, and Unix then it could easily become the default standard operating system in computing. I have one program that I need a windows box for in my busines - UPS worldship. This would be a much better program if it was written for Mac OS of course, but it isn't likely to happen. I run it through a headless windows box using RDC on the office Macs so that we can easily copy and paste shipping information into the bookkeeping software (MYOB Account Edge). I look forward to the day I can get rid of the PC and just boot up worldship directly on my Macs through virtualization. Once again Apple raises the bar on what computers can do. Yeah! If we look back at the history of the railroads, they all started out with different proprietary track widths so that their competitors could not run on their railroads. Eventually this proved a bad idea and a common track width was decided on.

Inevitably the same commonality is likely to come to computers. Mac is the only software OS positioning itself to be that common interface. If an intel Mac can run software written for Mac, PC, and Unix then it could easily become the default standard operating system in computing.

I have one program that I need a windows box for in my busines – UPS worldship. This would be a much better program if it was written for Mac OS of course, but it isn’t likely to happen. I run it through a headless windows box using RDC on the office Macs so that we can easily copy and paste shipping information into the bookkeeping software (MYOB Account Edge). I look forward to the day I can get rid of the PC and just boot up worldship directly on my Macs through virtualization.

Once again Apple raises the bar on what computers can do. Yeah!

]]> By: Peter http://www.maccast.com/2006/04/06/apple-releases-support-for-xp/comment-page-1/#comment-4010 Peter Wed, 12 Apr 2006 05:28:04 +0000 http://www.maccast.com/2006/04/05/apple-releases-support-for-xp/#comment-4010 "Macs use an ultra-modern industry standard technology called EFI to handle booting. Sadly, Windows XP, and even the upcoming Vista, are stuck in the 1980s with old-fashioned BIOS. But with Boot Camp, the Mac can operate smoothly in both centuries." Apple always looks for an opportunity to bag windows. Stuck in the 1980s. Good job apple. I wonder if M$ knew this was going to happen when they pledged to develop M$ office for 5 more years. “Macs use an ultra-modern industry standard technology called EFI to handle booting. Sadly, Windows XP, and even the upcoming Vista, are stuck in the 1980s with old-fashioned BIOS. But with Boot Camp, the Mac can operate smoothly in both centuries.”

Apple always looks for an opportunity to bag windows. Stuck in the 1980s. Good job apple.

I wonder if M$ knew this was going to happen when they pledged to develop M$ office for 5 more years.

]]> By: PHAT ROB http://www.maccast.com/2006/04/06/apple-releases-support-for-xp/comment-page-1/#comment-3944 PHAT ROB Mon, 10 Apr 2006 00:29:07 +0000 http://www.maccast.com/2006/04/05/apple-releases-support-for-xp/#comment-3944 Sharing needles is dangerous. But I must say, A Apple that runs both OSX and XP will be a very versitile machine. Let's do it. Besides, how long do these machines last. The faster I buy these computers, the faster they come up with new developments to keep you comming back. THEY SHOULD HAVE DONE THIS YEARS AGO. They had this years ago, They just had to sell off old technology. I'll get it with the monster hard drive so I can partition OSX, Linux, XP. The get a nice portable HD to hold all my files. Please Reply Sharing needles is dangerous. But I must say, A Apple that runs both OSX and XP will be a very versitile machine. Let’s do it. Besides, how long do these machines last. The faster I buy these computers, the faster they come up with new developments to keep you comming back. THEY SHOULD HAVE DONE THIS YEARS AGO. They had this years ago, They just had to sell off old technology. I’ll get it with the monster hard drive so I can partition OSX, Linux, XP. The get a nice portable HD to hold all my files. Please Reply

]]> By: Alex Santos http://www.maccast.com/2006/04/06/apple-releases-support-for-xp/comment-page-1/#comment-3923 Alex Santos Sat, 08 Apr 2006 21:05:51 +0000 http://www.maccast.com/2006/04/05/apple-releases-support-for-xp/#comment-3923 I got to leave one more comment. Re: Predictions, Dvorak will love the news - bah. The firmware update would be interesting to examine as it may reveal what's up with Leopard Also, I think Leopard must run windows apps without rebooting and without emulation, it has to just open windows apps transparently via a double click (wonder how viruses might work in this sort of scenario though) The reason I say the above about Leopard is simply that if people begin to use the internet within XP on a DBMac (DB=Dual Boot) then they will continue to use XP, yes Apple will still have sold you the hardware and software but not the experience which is the key to a Mac, it is the experience. Personally if I boot into XP (but wouldn't even bother unless games work well - I'm a MAME fan) to work with some app available only in XP I most likely would setup my email app and browser app on windows to make my workflow less cumbersome. That being said I would rarely use OSX in such a case, making the whole case to buy an intel mac redundant - but of course I love my mac but I am trying to play devil's advocate here. Although Boot Camp is cool for the curious it is not a real solution. So if Apple mentioned that this is going be part of Leopard I can only assume XP or windows apps will run right inside OSX. If this is not the case when Leopard comes out then I can only assume Dvorak is right about Apple dropping OSX. Dual boot systems are too cumbersome to work seriously especially if the involve email and web activity. By the way, Dvorak Lost his mind of TWiT 42. I got to leave one more comment.

Re: Predictions, Dvorak will love the news – bah.

The firmware update would be interesting to examine as it may reveal what’s up with Leopard

Also, I think Leopard must run windows apps without rebooting and without emulation, it has to just open windows apps transparently via a double click (wonder how viruses might work in this sort of scenario though)

The reason I say the above about Leopard is simply that if people begin to use the internet within XP on a DBMac (DB=Dual Boot) then they will continue to use XP, yes Apple will still have sold you the hardware and software but not the experience which is the key to a Mac, it is the experience. Personally if I boot into XP (but wouldn’t even bother unless games work well – I’m a MAME fan) to work with some app available only in XP I most likely would setup my email app and browser app on windows to make my workflow less cumbersome. That being said I would rarely use OSX in such a case, making the whole case to buy an intel mac redundant – but of course I love my mac but I am trying to play devil’s advocate here.

Although Boot Camp is cool for the curious it is not a real solution. So if Apple mentioned that this is going be part of Leopard I can only assume XP or windows apps will run right inside OSX. If this is not the case when Leopard comes out then I can only assume Dvorak is right about Apple dropping OSX. Dual boot systems are too cumbersome to work seriously especially if the involve email and web activity.

By the way, Dvorak Lost his mind of TWiT 42.

]]> By: Craig Patchett http://www.maccast.com/2006/04/06/apple-releases-support-for-xp/comment-page-1/#comment-3910 Craig Patchett Fri, 07 Apr 2006 23:28:50 +0000 http://www.maccast.com/2006/04/05/apple-releases-support-for-xp/#comment-3910 It surprises me how sometimes Apple users (and I've been one since 1984) can be some of the most narrow-minded people out there. (Yes, even more so than Windows users, and I've been one of these since 1989.) The ability for Windows to run without performance compromises on Mac hardware does not spell the demise of the Mac OS but rather offers the first legitimate crossover machine for hardcore Windows users. Add virtualization software like Parallels and you have the most seductive switching environment created to date (assuming it works as advertised). The ability to run a high-performance XP environment with the option to dual-boot into OS X on demand is appealing to any Windows user who is even remotely curious about the Mac and offers a full safety net in that they can run their machine as a Windows-only device if they so choose. Running XP in virtualization mode, however, they get to slowly transition over to the OS X environment without paying the performance penalty previously imposed by products such as Virtual PC that makes the Mac unusable as a Windows environment. If Mac owners are so protective of their OS that they are unable to see the value of inviting the rest of the computing world to mingle before joining the party then the Mac truly is destined to languish as one of computing's elite rather than provide the power for the people it was originally designed for. It surprises me how sometimes Apple users (and I’ve been one since 1984) can be some of the most narrow-minded people out there. (Yes, even more so than Windows users, and I’ve been one of these since 1989.) The ability for Windows to run without performance compromises on Mac hardware does not spell the demise of the Mac OS but rather offers the first legitimate crossover machine for hardcore Windows users. Add virtualization software like Parallels and you have the most seductive switching environment created to date (assuming it works as advertised).

The ability to run a high-performance XP environment with the option to dual-boot into OS X on demand is appealing to any Windows user who is even remotely curious about the Mac and offers a full safety net in that they can run their machine as a Windows-only device if they so choose. Running XP in virtualization mode, however, they get to slowly transition over to the OS X environment without paying the performance penalty previously imposed by products such as Virtual PC that makes the Mac unusable as a Windows environment.

If Mac owners are so protective of their OS that they are unable to see the value of inviting the rest of the computing world to mingle before joining the party then the Mac truly is destined to languish as one of computing’s elite rather than provide the power for the people it was originally designed for.

]]> By: Nick http://www.maccast.com/2006/04/06/apple-releases-support-for-xp/comment-page-1/#comment-3901 Nick Fri, 07 Apr 2006 16:25:17 +0000 http://www.maccast.com/2006/04/05/apple-releases-support-for-xp/#comment-3901 Unfortunately agree with the Hatter. Short term it is great for me, I was about to be forced to dump my mac at work (on-going Powerpoint compatibility problems not fun at 2 in the morning!). I can now get a macbook instead of a wintel box. Long-term bad for Apple. If Adobe do release a MacOS version of Photoshop than I may be wrong, but why should they now. I expect this version of Office for Mac will be the last version. Once the major developers stop the rest will follow. This was inevitable once they switched to Intel Unfortunately agree with the Hatter.

Short term it is great for me, I was about to be forced to dump my mac at work (on-going Powerpoint compatibility problems not fun at 2 in the morning!). I can now get a macbook instead of a wintel box.

Long-term bad for Apple. If Adobe do release a MacOS version of Photoshop than I may be wrong, but why should they now. I expect this version of Office for Mac will be the last version.

Once the major developers stop the rest will follow.

This was inevitable once they switched to Intel

]]> By: Awake http://www.maccast.com/2006/04/06/apple-releases-support-for-xp/comment-page-1/#comment-3898 Awake Fri, 07 Apr 2006 12:56:27 +0000 http://www.maccast.com/2006/04/05/apple-releases-support-for-xp/#comment-3898 "I am a PC user. I have lots of (sometimes very expensive) PC software. I wouldn't mind using a Mac, but I just can't afford re-buying all that software. Just Photoshop plus Office is over $1000. I also use some programs that just do not have Mac equivalents (QImage and my accounting software as examples)." The above may be one of the most important reasons why people that would like to use a Mac probably would never do so... the transition cost and the loss of access to business mandatory software. The dual boot of 'Boot Camp' is nice, but inconvenient. 'Parallels' seems to solve that whole problem, and really opens up the Mac to the rest of the world. In the long run, if Apple were able to fully integrate Windows-in-a-window, with full cut and paste functionality, it would be a real home run. I know that it is heresy to say so in this forum, but there are prgrams that run on the PC that are not matched on the Mac, and support for those programs (via a Windows-window) is essential to the growth of the Mac community. “I am a PC user. I have lots of (sometimes very expensive) PC software. I wouldn’t mind using a Mac, but I just can’t afford re-buying all that software. Just Photoshop plus Office is over $1000. I also use some programs that just do not have Mac equivalents (QImage and my accounting software as examples).”
The above may be one of the most important reasons why people that would like to use a Mac probably would never do so… the transition cost and the loss of access to business mandatory software.
The dual boot of ‘Boot Camp’ is nice, but inconvenient. ‘Parallels’ seems to solve that whole problem, and really opens up the Mac to the rest of the world.
In the long run, if Apple were able to fully integrate Windows-in-a-window, with full cut and paste functionality, it would be a real home run.
I know that it is heresy to say so in this forum, but there are prgrams that run on the PC that are not matched on the Mac, and support for those programs (via a Windows-window) is essential to the growth of the Mac community.

]]> By: R S http://www.maccast.com/2006/04/06/apple-releases-support-for-xp/comment-page-1/#comment-3894 R S Fri, 07 Apr 2006 10:26:58 +0000 http://www.maccast.com/2006/04/05/apple-releases-support-for-xp/#comment-3894 Yes its true. Woke up this morning thinking "Oh God it was all a nightmare" but its not. We are stuck with it. What a total sell out. Steve Jobs you are an idiot. Yes its true. Woke up this morning thinking “Oh God it was all a nightmare” but its not. We are stuck with it. What a total sell out. Steve Jobs you are an idiot.

]]> By: Burnt Chops http://www.maccast.com/2006/04/06/apple-releases-support-for-xp/comment-page-1/#comment-3887 Burnt Chops Fri, 07 Apr 2006 06:47:56 +0000 http://www.maccast.com/2006/04/05/apple-releases-support-for-xp/#comment-3887 If my comments are not good enough for this site then i will unsubscribe to MacCast. Pity. If my comments are not good enough for this site then i will unsubscribe to MacCast. Pity.

]]> By: Debbie http://www.maccast.com/2006/04/06/apple-releases-support-for-xp/comment-page-1/#comment-3874 Debbie Thu, 06 Apr 2006 20:35:00 +0000 http://www.maccast.com/2006/04/05/apple-releases-support-for-xp/#comment-3874 I don't know why some folks are fighting this...thinking it's a bad idea. I am very happy about it. Some think this isn't going to impact sales? I beg to differ. How many people want to buy that mac but don't because there is one piece of software they must be able to run (like my husband needing to use gotomypc software to access his office computer while travelling). This takes away the barrier. In the past we've had to have 2 computers with us.....because my cycling gps software won't run on the mac or something else like that....and I know many people aren't fortunately enough to have both. Now you don't NEED both. This is fantastic! I am running it on a macbook Pro and it's seemless and fast. Just GREAT! I don’t know why some folks are fighting this…thinking it’s a bad idea. I am very happy about it. Some think this isn’t going to impact sales? I beg to differ. How many people want to buy that mac but don’t because there is one piece of software they must be able to run (like my husband needing to use gotomypc software to access his office computer while travelling). This takes away the barrier. In the past we’ve had to have 2 computers with us…..because my cycling gps software won’t run on the mac or something else like that….and I know many people aren’t fortunately enough to have both. Now you don’t NEED both. This is fantastic! I am running it on a macbook Pro and it’s seemless and fast. Just GREAT!

]]> By: maccast http://www.maccast.com/2006/04/06/apple-releases-support-for-xp/comment-page-1/#comment-3871 maccast Thu, 06 Apr 2006 19:26:28 +0000 http://www.maccast.com/2006/04/05/apple-releases-support-for-xp/#comment-3871 ^^^^^^^ I think Bob is right. :) ^^^^^^^
I think Bob is right. :)

]]> By: Burnt Chops http://www.maccast.com/2006/04/06/apple-releases-support-for-xp/comment-page-1/#comment-3868 Burnt Chops Thu, 06 Apr 2006 18:21:18 +0000 http://www.maccast.com/2006/04/05/apple-releases-support-for-xp/#comment-3868 I agree fully with the hatter. I agree fully with the hatter.

]]> By: Bob http://www.maccast.com/2006/04/06/apple-releases-support-for-xp/comment-page-1/#comment-3864 Bob Thu, 06 Apr 2006 14:42:19 +0000 http://www.maccast.com/2006/04/05/apple-releases-support-for-xp/#comment-3864 Time for a maccast I think! Time for a maccast I think!

]]> By: Andrew http://www.maccast.com/2006/04/06/apple-releases-support-for-xp/comment-page-1/#comment-3862 Andrew Thu, 06 Apr 2006 13:45:25 +0000 http://www.maccast.com/2006/04/05/apple-releases-support-for-xp/#comment-3862 I don't see how this can be anything but good news. C'mon people, do you really think that Apple is going to let OS X die? That's Steve's baby - no way he kills it now. This is great news for everyone. (I do predict though that Apple will start shipping computers with Windows and OS X installed to help it gain more momentum in the workplace) Maybe that's just a dream though. I don’t see how this can be anything but good news. C’mon people, do you really think that Apple is going to let OS X die? That’s Steve’s baby – no way he kills it now. This is great news for everyone. (I do predict though that Apple will start shipping computers with Windows and OS X installed to help it gain more momentum in the workplace) Maybe that’s just a dream though.

]]> By: The Hatter http://www.maccast.com/2006/04/06/apple-releases-support-for-xp/comment-page-1/#comment-3859 The Hatter Thu, 06 Apr 2006 11:17:21 +0000 http://www.maccast.com/2006/04/05/apple-releases-support-for-xp/#comment-3859 Sad though it is, this is extremely bleak news for the Mac OS. All that Boot Camp does is dish out Windows as a boot alternative - a competitor - to OS X, and that is a hugely dangerous move for Apple. How long will it be until every Mac will have to run Windows to use applications that will drop OS X support? How long will it be until Mac OS X becomes simply an unsupported, inferior novelty? And how long will it be before there really is nothing to distinguish the Macintosh from the unreliable, virus-ridden 'dull little boxes' that 'dutifully perform dull little tasks'? Apple has made the horrible mistake of infecting its computers with the very reason why this podcast exists - why we all decided to use Macs in the first place. And unless they can invent some sort of technology that would allow certain Windows applications/file extensions to run securely and natively INSIDE OS X (therefore causing switchers to buy a Mac in order to run THE MAC OS *$$$*), Windows is going to creep up on Apple with devastating consequences. HAVE MERCY, APPLE! PLEASE DON'T MAKE US USE WINDOWS! Sad though it is, this is extremely bleak news for the Mac OS. All that Boot Camp does is dish out Windows as a boot alternative – a competitor – to OS X, and that is a hugely dangerous move for Apple. How long will it be until every Mac will have to run Windows to use applications that will drop OS X support? How long will it be until Mac OS X becomes simply an unsupported, inferior novelty? And how long will it be before there really is nothing to distinguish the Macintosh from the unreliable, virus-ridden ‘dull little boxes’ that ‘dutifully perform dull little tasks’?

Apple has made the horrible mistake of infecting its computers with the very reason why this podcast exists – why we all decided to use Macs in the first place. And unless they can invent some sort of technology that would allow certain Windows applications/file extensions to run securely and natively INSIDE OS X (therefore causing switchers to buy a Mac in order to run THE MAC OS *$$$*), Windows is going to creep up on Apple with devastating consequences.

HAVE MERCY, APPLE! PLEASE DON’T MAKE US USE WINDOWS!

]]> By: NICKO http://www.maccast.com/2006/04/06/apple-releases-support-for-xp/comment-page-1/#comment-3858 NICKO Thu, 06 Apr 2006 10:55:44 +0000 http://www.maccast.com/2006/04/05/apple-releases-support-for-xp/#comment-3858 MY PREDICTION IS WITHIN 10 YEARS APPLE WILL BE OWNED BY MICROSOFT.... THIS IS SHOCKING, TERRIBLE NEWS. I WILL NEVER BUY AN INTEL MAC AND AM APPALED BY THIS DEVELOPMENT. SHOCKING. MY PREDICTION IS WITHIN 10 YEARS APPLE WILL BE OWNED BY MICROSOFT…. THIS IS SHOCKING, TERRIBLE NEWS. I WILL NEVER BUY AN INTEL MAC AND AM APPALED BY THIS DEVELOPMENT. SHOCKING.

]]> By: Marc http://www.maccast.com/2006/04/06/apple-releases-support-for-xp/comment-page-1/#comment-3857 Marc Thu, 06 Apr 2006 09:08:21 +0000 http://www.maccast.com/2006/04/05/apple-releases-support-for-xp/#comment-3857 Using Paypal its on the right of the site Using Paypal its on the right of the site

]]> By: Conrad http://www.maccast.com/2006/04/06/apple-releases-support-for-xp/comment-page-1/#comment-3855 Conrad Thu, 06 Apr 2006 06:27:23 +0000 http://www.maccast.com/2006/04/05/apple-releases-support-for-xp/#comment-3855 Adam How do we donate - i can't see a credit card link? Conrad Adam
How do we donate – i can’t see a credit card link?
Conrad

]]> By: Sam http://www.maccast.com/2006/04/06/apple-releases-support-for-xp/comment-page-1/#comment-3854 Sam Thu, 06 Apr 2006 05:42:18 +0000 http://www.maccast.com/2006/04/05/apple-releases-support-for-xp/#comment-3854 A very smart move on Apple's behalf. I hate microsoft but some people cant live without it due to work demands finally there is no excuse not to switch! A very smart move on Apple’s behalf. I hate microsoft but some people cant live without it due to work demands finally there is no excuse not to switch!

]]> By: BruceG http://www.maccast.com/2006/04/06/apple-releases-support-for-xp/comment-page-1/#comment-3853 BruceG Thu, 06 Apr 2006 04:53:02 +0000 http://www.maccast.com/2006/04/05/apple-releases-support-for-xp/#comment-3853 As the owner of both a Windows XP desktop and a G4 Powerbook running OSX Tiger, I have no plans to mount Windows on my Mac. Just out of curiosity, what's the buzz on running Windows Vista when/if it is launched? As the owner of both a Windows XP desktop and a G4 Powerbook running OSX Tiger, I have no plans to mount Windows on my Mac.
Just out of curiosity, what’s the buzz on running Windows Vista when/if it is launched?

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